Neat!

"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike) 01/28/2018 at 06:35 • Filed to: JDM Yo!

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Acura TSX-like JDM Honda Accords are now importable to Canada IN WAGON FORM! We never had the TSX as a wagon here, and I think these have aged very well! I love me some low-roofline wagons! :D

pip bip - choose Corrour > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 06:50

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any manuals though?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/28/2018 at 07:00

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As far as I know, the JDM cars had a 5-speed or 6-speed manual as an option, and the North American spec Acura TSX of that generation had a 6-speed as an option! :)

pip bip - choose Corrour > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 07:07

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just looked on Goo-net and all wagons were auto

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/28/2018 at 07:18

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Could be...I don’t know enough about them, sadly!

Under_Score > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 07:34

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You could drive down to the northeast and buy a newer TSX wagon with more features.

Svend > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 07:50

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Cheap too in Europe.

https://www.autoscout24.com/results?mmvmk0=31&mmvmd0=1773&mmvco=1&body=5&fregfrom=2002&fregto=2003&powertype=kw&atype=C&ustate=N%2CU&sort=year&desc=1

RHD ones in Britain are very cheap.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=year-desc&radius=1500&postcode=w127ts&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=HONDA&year-from=2002&year-to=2003&body-type=Estate

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243042670?year-from=2002&make=HONDA&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&body-type=Estate&advertising-location=at_cars&year-to=2003&sort=year-desc&postcode=w127ts&page=1

Mechanically > Svend 01/28/2018 at 08:38

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Why are those UK models so inexpensive? I feel like it has something to do with the “MOT” certification, or registration, so something like that?

Mechanically > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 08:42

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That JDM model is awesome. Bet you could find some from Europe that were LHD?

Svend > Mechanically 01/28/2018 at 09:25

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It’s part of several things. One part being MOTs (which got so much more stricter from April of last year but enforced from October of last year), more parts being prone to wear and tear as it gets older but also a lot based on VED (Vehicle Excise Duty (read: emissions based road tax)).

Although VED varies on emissions it also varies on year the car was registered to. The tax banding is a nightmare but most people just look at what it is for the car they want and go from there.

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/driving-costs/car-tax

The Honda Accord up top is a 53 plate which means it was registered after October 2003 and so would of been under another tax system.

shop-teacher > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 09:29

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American wagons we’re auto only.

boxrocket > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 09:32

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The U.S. TSX came in wagon form for a few years(?) during their peak beak/eggtooth grille period, so maybe 2013-2014? They’re reasonably affordable used, but I’d want to transplant a different face on one (like the one you have in your post, or a model without the beak/eggtooth) if it were me.

duurtlang > Mechanically 01/28/2018 at 09:57

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Yes you can. LHD with manual transmissions. So why bother with RHD JDM cars?

404 - User No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 10:04

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I think the 2nd gen USDM TSX Wagons were importable a while back, like since they were launched. Ever since we federalized with the US, just like how 2004-2006 GTOs were importable.

I guess if you really want the first gen, then that is the route to go.

interstate366, now In The Industry > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/28/2018 at 10:31

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None of the Accord wagons were sold with manuals in Japan going back to at least the 5th generation (mid-90s).

interstate366, now In The Industry > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 01/28/2018 at 10:33

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Only sedans had the manual available. The 8th gen JDM Accord (2nd gen TSX) didn’t have a manual available all in Japan.

interstate366, now In The Industry > shop-teacher 01/28/2018 at 12:26

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As best I can tell, you could only get a manual Accord wagon in Europe. And even there they’re pretty rare.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 01/28/2018 at 12:28

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Argh, why are the manuals always 2.0i’s?

interstate366, now In The Industry > boxrocket 01/28/2018 at 12:32

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How’s this?

I actually don’t mind the beak on the TSX.

shop-teacher > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/28/2018 at 13:48

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That doesn’t surprise me.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/28/2018 at 15:13

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No idea I’m afraid.

It’s not a car I ever paid attention too.

There isn’t much choice from the U.K., not sure what the manual to automatic ratio is in Europe.

If I had to guess I’d have to say that the manuals didn’t survive as at the time manuals were the more regular choice. Maybe the autos survived because of lack of use.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 01/28/2018 at 15:38

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A manual 2.4i estate would be something I would consider bringing over when it’s old enough, but they seem to be exceedingly rare.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/28/2018 at 15:41

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Having looked again. There is a 2.4 manual, but it’s ‘vehicle for breaking only’ due to ‘timing chain issues’, for £300.

If I open the search to include non estate cars to include hatchbacks and saloons there are 28 for sale. 13 automatic, 15 manual. of those there are 9 2.4s, of which 6 are automatic and 3 are manuals.

Looking at other estate cars available at the time such as the Ford Mondeo (predominantly manuals), BMW 3 and 5 Series (1/3 of which manuals), Audi A4 Avants (predominantly manuals), Mercedes C Class (all autos) and Volvo V70s (predominantly autos).

More of the larger prestige cars of the time (as does today) tended to favour automatics, more common large cars such as Ford tend to be manuals.

So probably a mixture of the car not being all that favourable in estate form and manuals simply not surviving.

Svend > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/28/2018 at 15:43

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To be fair. The number of them surviving until the American 25 year rule will probably be rarer than hens teeth in the U.K. or Europe.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Svend 01/28/2018 at 16:25

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Yeah, if I end up with one of those it’ll most likely be a Euro-R from Japan. Guaranteed manual and less expensive than a JDM DC5R or EP3R.

http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/HONDA/ACCORD/700090369730180125003/index.html

Mechanically > Svend 01/29/2018 at 08:15

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That’s helpful, thanks!

So, the various annual taxes make it so expensive to operate a car of this vintage, that it’s more attractive to buy a newer (and perhaps “more efficient”) car.

How long do cars hang around, then? Does this effectively force things more than 15 years old off the roads?

In the states, rural areas are typically more permissive of poor emissions, is the same true over there? Can you effectively sell clunkers into the Yorkshire countryside where they live noble lives herding sheep?

Mechanically > duurtlang 01/29/2018 at 08:17

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It may well be cheaper to import JDM? Especially if you’re on the west coast? I’ve never looked into importing a car from Romania, but I bet it’s not cheap.

Svend > Mechanically 01/29/2018 at 08:35

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Lol. Not really. It doesn’t make it so expensive to own and run but the cumulative effects of everything add up making new/er cars more attractve.

There are still many old cars on the road as old used cars are so much cheaper with the influx of new cars. It’s a paradox really.

People get rid of older cars and replace with new cars to save money, older cars become so cheap they become attractive and so forth.

duurtlang > Mechanically 01/29/2018 at 08:50

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Sure, Romania. But if you take Germany or France you’ve got coastal countries with little love for.older larger Japanese vehicles, meaning you can get the car for little money and it doesn’t take much to get it to an international port. Shipping itself might be a few hundred more expensive, but that’s worth it for the convenience of LHD IMHO. Also, readable dials/screens and whatnot. Frequently with an English option.

boxrocket > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/29/2018 at 19:27

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I’m driving my mom’s 2011 TSX sedan this week, actually, as I get it ready for sale.

I’ve been parking it nose-out so I don’t have to look at the ugly front.

That grille is an improvement (even better if the inner slats were black). It’s not just the beak-grille, though, it’s also the derpy headlamp shape. That said, the HID headlamps are decidedly excellent. Great throw and fill without being blinding.

interstate366, now In The Industry > boxrocket 01/29/2018 at 20:03

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The grille is pretty similar to what was on the American Accord at the time, but it would be better with black slats, yeah. My favorite is the Mugen grille, but I don’t have $4000 lying around for the aero kit, and if I did I would put a supercharger on it instead since it’s about the same price.

Mine is a 2009, and I think the headlights look fine. There might be a slight difference in the 09-10 and 11+ headlights, though. I know other parts of the front bumper are slightly different, like the grille and fog lights. But yeah, the lights themselves are great.